the thing that is most tangible about what i do is that, i'm the campus pastor at harold washington college in lute. >> have you ever had any difficulties in say as you are moving out for the ministry anythi that has ever happened that you could share with us? >> crossings is my third call. my first call was in ethnic congregation on the north side of chicago, a swedish congregation. they didn't quite know what do you with a associate pastor who was a black woman. and one of the men came to me at the begin on my ministry there and said; frankly i don't think you can be my pastor primarily because i've never had a pastor who wasn't white male and of a scandinavian descent. and at first, i was kind of surprised but my response to him became very positive and affirmed the fact that he could even say that. because that to me is something i can deal with. it's when people don't say things that you don't know really how to handle it. but anyway he was that honest and integrous about his approach. by the time i left there which was almost two years later he and i were the best of friends because i